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	<title>Comments on: Residents protest against pig farm project</title>
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		<title>By: eis</title>
		<link>http://teresakok.com/2008/04/09/residents-protest-against-pig-farm-project/#comment-2141</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 07:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what i can see now is that the Chinese agree with this coz they eat babi...no wonder...mkn benda2 haram ni gelap hati...hati tu dah kotor dah xleh wat apa dah...

and of course the Malays &#38; Muslims disagree coz babi is haram  (not permitted) in Islam...tak mkn babi, tak minum arak...

the only thing is our mb is a malay &#38; muslim (i guess)...he has the power to stop the project even it has been approved by khir toyo...LU PIKIR LA SENDIRI!!! mb ni takut kena tembak ngan teresa kot...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what i can see now is that the Chinese agree with this coz they eat babi&#8230;no wonder&#8230;mkn benda2 haram ni gelap hati&#8230;hati tu dah kotor dah xleh wat apa dah&#8230;</p>
<p>and of course the Malays &amp; Muslims disagree coz babi is haram  (not permitted) in Islam&#8230;tak mkn babi, tak minum arak&#8230;</p>
<p>the only thing is our mb is a malay &amp; muslim (i guess)&#8230;he has the power to stop the project even it has been approved by khir toyo&#8230;LU PIKIR LA SENDIRI!!! mb ni takut kena tembak ngan teresa kot&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: novoag</title>
		<link>http://teresakok.com/2008/04/09/residents-protest-against-pig-farm-project/#comment-2084</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 02:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Further to my previous comment, I refer to chteng's comment on 11-April which states:1. Pig farming is just a business, will definetely contribute to the Malaysia economy. As long as it will not contribute to pollution, it should be fine. Pig is not drug, is not any mass descrutive weapon, not agaisnt any federal law. So what’s wrong? &#38; Haveaview's point (12-April), i.e Confining pig farming to a single pollution-controlled area will make it easier for enforcement agencies to monitor and enforce strict compliance with pollution-control standards.

we agree that pig farming is a business, and pollution control (+ religious sentiments) are key concerns. Judging from their existence over the years I believe it can continue as long as no issues crop up. We know for sure that pollution (both to environment &#38; residents' living/religious standard) is a major issue: i.e. non-compliance with waste water standards and offensive odor. 

Can those problems be overcome? Yes, as per Government's proposal to set up the big facility (wonder why we need to spend so much! Technically it is viable even with simple solutions - just a matter of commitment by farmers and strict enforcement). You &#38; I know why selected people propose &#38; implement megaprojects.... &#38; can paint beautiful story to the uninformed public to justify their actions... 

Can the German facility cope with smell &#38; discharged water quality? So far what we heard or read is the biogas portion. This biogas portion is proposed because the party involved is able to make handsome money from the trading of carbon credits (reduce greenhouse gas emission)from this operation. The party who benefits from this part of the business ought to partially finance the project. However, this portion of the "pollution control" does not solve the initial fresh odor/smell of the manure &#38; the subsequent wastewater and sludge quality problems after the biogas collection/emission. 

We can only guess that the company managing the biogas will finance the necessary actions to overcome these key pollution problems. Can the details be released for us to understand better? 

Where is the catch? What is the cost to the pig farmers?  Will it be fair to the farmers, and subsequently to the consumers, and the public? we know there is no free ride....

Finally will there be a win-win ending - socially, environmentally &#38; economically?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Further to my previous comment, I refer to chteng&#8217;s comment on 11-April which states:1. Pig farming is just a business, will definetely contribute to the Malaysia economy. As long as it will not contribute to pollution, it should be fine. Pig is not drug, is not any mass descrutive weapon, not agaisnt any federal law. So what’s wrong? &amp; Haveaview&#8217;s point (12-April), i.e Confining pig farming to a single pollution-controlled area will make it easier for enforcement agencies to monitor and enforce strict compliance with pollution-control standards.</p>
<p>we agree that pig farming is a business, and pollution control (+ religious sentiments) are key concerns. Judging from their existence over the years I believe it can continue as long as no issues crop up. We know for sure that pollution (both to environment &amp; residents&#8217; living/religious standard) is a major issue: i.e. non-compliance with waste water standards and offensive odor. </p>
<p>Can those problems be overcome? Yes, as per Government&#8217;s proposal to set up the big facility (wonder why we need to spend so much! Technically it is viable even with simple solutions - just a matter of commitment by farmers and strict enforcement). You &amp; I know why selected people propose &amp; implement megaprojects&#8230;. &amp; can paint beautiful story to the uninformed public to justify their actions&#8230; </p>
<p>Can the German facility cope with smell &amp; discharged water quality? So far what we heard or read is the biogas portion. This biogas portion is proposed because the party involved is able to make handsome money from the trading of carbon credits (reduce greenhouse gas emission)from this operation. The party who benefits from this part of the business ought to partially finance the project. However, this portion of the &#8220;pollution control&#8221; does not solve the initial fresh odor/smell of the manure &amp; the subsequent wastewater and sludge quality problems after the biogas collection/emission. </p>
<p>We can only guess that the company managing the biogas will finance the necessary actions to overcome these key pollution problems. Can the details be released for us to understand better? </p>
<p>Where is the catch? What is the cost to the pig farmers?  Will it be fair to the farmers, and subsequently to the consumers, and the public? we know there is no free ride&#8230;.</p>
<p>Finally will there be a win-win ending - socially, environmentally &amp; economically?</p>
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		<title>By: stardream07</title>
		<link>http://teresakok.com/2008/04/09/residents-protest-against-pig-farm-project/#comment-2070</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 08:45:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This kabutalwayz joker must be sick. Anyway, it the project is too controversial, i suggest the selangor govt. find an alternative site. Let's go for a win-win situation. Do not let this be ammo for umno to fire at PR. PR has to listen to the rakyat, eventhough how minority the dissent is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This kabutalwayz joker must be sick. Anyway, it the project is too controversial, i suggest the selangor govt. find an alternative site. Let&#8217;s go for a win-win situation. Do not let this be ammo for umno to fire at PR. PR has to listen to the rakyat, eventhough how minority the dissent is.</p>
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		<title>By: novoag</title>
		<link>http://teresakok.com/2008/04/09/residents-protest-against-pig-farm-project/#comment-2041</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 15:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where can I have technical details of the proposed modern pig farm? The information published so far doesn't indicate how the odor is controlled, especially from the fresh manure. The farmers must take responsibility and regard this odor removal operation as part of their cost if they want long term sustainability of their business in this country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where can I have technical details of the proposed modern pig farm? The information published so far doesn&#8217;t indicate how the odor is controlled, especially from the fresh manure. The farmers must take responsibility and regard this odor removal operation as part of their cost if they want long term sustainability of their business in this country.</p>
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		<title>By: chteng</title>
		<link>http://teresakok.com/2008/04/09/residents-protest-against-pig-farm-project/#comment-2012</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 16:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi riduan, 

Haha, just read your reply that hiding somewhere in between all these response, almost missed out. :-)

Thank you for your detail explanation, today I have learnt something new about Islam. This is the first time I heard about "hasil halal" and "hasil haram", this is interesting. If this is really the cause of problem, I can understand his concern. 

As a non-muslim, I don't really mind how these "hasil-hasil" are being used, as long as it is used for the good of all "Rakyat Malaysia" especially the lower income group. But I fully support you suggestion (angkat dua tangan and dua kaki) if the "hasil haram" could be splited out to help the low income non-muslims community, because a lot of them have long been discriminated under BN goverment espcially on housing and education.  :-D  

Regarding the "hasil haram" that you mentioned above, I recalled that just last 2 day the new Selangor government(I think, Yocob) just announced that the big bosses behind this moderm pig farm are umno's cronies. So these unmoputeras are directly involved in the business. Just to check with you, am I right to say that all the income that they earn are "haram" and "salah di sisi agama"? 

Lastly I strongly believed that Pakatan Rakyat could bring hope to Malaysia. I see more Rakyat are moving few steps ahead of BN now toward a developed nation. Here we can discuss sensitive issues but the past 50 years under BN, they keep creating racial tentions (a virtual Berlin wall) between Rakyat just for their personal agenda. Hopefully more "Rakyat Malaysia" regardless of their race are wake up now.

Regards</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi riduan, </p>
<p>Haha, just read your reply that hiding somewhere in between all these response, almost missed out. <img src='http://teresakok.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Thank you for your detail explanation, today I have learnt something new about Islam. This is the first time I heard about &#8220;hasil halal&#8221; and &#8220;hasil haram&#8221;, this is interesting. If this is really the cause of problem, I can understand his concern. </p>
<p>As a non-muslim, I don&#8217;t really mind how these &#8220;hasil-hasil&#8221; are being used, as long as it is used for the good of all &#8220;Rakyat Malaysia&#8221; especially the lower income group. But I fully support you suggestion (angkat dua tangan and dua kaki) if the &#8220;hasil haram&#8221; could be splited out to help the low income non-muslims community, because a lot of them have long been discriminated under BN goverment espcially on housing and education.  <img src='http://teresakok.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>Regarding the &#8220;hasil haram&#8221; that you mentioned above, I recalled that just last 2 day the new Selangor government(I think, Yocob) just announced that the big bosses behind this moderm pig farm are umno&#8217;s cronies. So these unmoputeras are directly involved in the business. Just to check with you, am I right to say that all the income that they earn are &#8220;haram&#8221; and &#8220;salah di sisi agama&#8221;? </p>
<p>Lastly I strongly believed that Pakatan Rakyat could bring hope to Malaysia. I see more Rakyat are moving few steps ahead of BN now toward a developed nation. Here we can discuss sensitive issues but the past 50 years under BN, they keep creating racial tentions (a virtual Berlin wall) between Rakyat just for their personal agenda. Hopefully more &#8220;Rakyat Malaysia&#8221; regardless of their race are wake up now.</p>
<p>Regards</p>
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		<title>By: allPoliticiansarethesame</title>
		<link>http://teresakok.com/2008/04/09/residents-protest-against-pig-farm-project/#comment-2004</link>
		<dc:creator>allPoliticiansarethesame</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 15:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ts23944
lol.. lets kill all the babis make them gone like Dinosaur.

haha kenapa org malaysia suka kecoh pasal babi ni?sedangkan negera lain tak pernah pun kecoh pasal binatang.Cuma the one and only malaysia


hahahahhahah ONLY IN MALAYSIA. politicians like to talk about babi. apala. this is wat we Malaysians voted for....babi debaters</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ts23944<br />
lol.. lets kill all the babis make them gone like Dinosaur.</p>
<p>haha kenapa org malaysia suka kecoh pasal babi ni?sedangkan negera lain tak pernah pun kecoh pasal binatang.Cuma the one and only malaysia</p>
<p>hahahahhahah ONLY IN MALAYSIA. politicians like to talk about babi. apala. this is wat we Malaysians voted for&#8230;.babi debaters</p>
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		<title>By: allPoliticiansarethesame</title>
		<link>http://teresakok.com/2008/04/09/residents-protest-against-pig-farm-project/#comment-2003</link>
		<dc:creator>allPoliticiansarethesame</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 15:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>riduan
Salam Sejahtera plsbefair,

1) Komen anda menunjukkan anda seolah-olah bermentaliti pengikut setia BN dan kuncu-kuncunya (UMNO, MCA, MIC) yang racist. 
&#62;&#62; Dearest Riduan, what make you think DAP leaders are not recist too? 
2) Tambahan lagi saya dilahirkan, dibesarkan dan mendapat hampir kesemua pendidikan saya di Kelantan dan hampir semua ahli keluarga saya didiskriminasi oleh BN Kelantan yang juga sama bangsa dan agama dengan saya
&#62;&#62; We do not need politicians to make money. we work hard we earn good money.
3) Akhirnya kepada plsbefair, ubahlah mentaliti anda jika anda masih mahu bersama Pakatan Rakyat
&#62;&#62; &#38; i tot malaysia is a democratic country freedom of speech etc etc etc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>riduan<br />
Salam Sejahtera plsbefair,</p>
<p>1) Komen anda menunjukkan anda seolah-olah bermentaliti pengikut setia BN dan kuncu-kuncunya (UMNO, MCA, MIC) yang racist.<br />
&gt;&gt; Dearest Riduan, what make you think DAP leaders are not recist too?<br />
2) Tambahan lagi saya dilahirkan, dibesarkan dan mendapat hampir kesemua pendidikan saya di Kelantan dan hampir semua ahli keluarga saya didiskriminasi oleh BN Kelantan yang juga sama bangsa dan agama dengan saya<br />
&gt;&gt; We do not need politicians to make money. we work hard we earn good money.<br />
3) Akhirnya kepada plsbefair, ubahlah mentaliti anda jika anda masih mahu bersama Pakatan Rakyat<br />
&gt;&gt; &amp; i tot malaysia is a democratic country freedom of speech etc etc etc</p>
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		<title>By: allPoliticiansarethesame</title>
		<link>http://teresakok.com/2008/04/09/residents-protest-against-pig-farm-project/#comment-2002</link>
		<dc:creator>allPoliticiansarethesame</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 15:13:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>haiyo u bodoh ppl jangan makan babi la. eat fish chicken lembu why want to waste time talking about babi....LEE KIM PENG</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>haiyo u bodoh ppl jangan makan babi la. eat fish chicken lembu why want to waste time talking about babi&#8230;.LEE KIM PENG</p>
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		<title>By: hogs</title>
		<link>http://teresakok.com/2008/04/09/residents-protest-against-pig-farm-project/#comment-1999</link>
		<dc:creator>hogs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 13:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't know why all these ppl frus about pigs?? So wats the big deal?? Displaying picture of pigs called insensitive but watching porn is ok... btw Ms Teresa didn't ask any muslim to join her in her roasted pig carnival. 

p/s: wo zui zhong yi sei char siew fan... yummy... can't live without it</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know why all these ppl frus about pigs?? So wats the big deal?? Displaying picture of pigs called insensitive but watching porn is ok&#8230; btw Ms Teresa didn&#8217;t ask any muslim to join her in her roasted pig carnival. </p>
<p>p/s: wo zui zhong yi sei char siew fan&#8230; yummy&#8230; can&#8217;t live without it</p>
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		<title>By: riduan</title>
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		<dc:creator>riduan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Salam Sejahtera plsbefair,

Komen anda menunjukkan anda seolah-olah bermentaliti pengikut setia BN dan kuncu-kuncunya (UMNO, MCA, MIC) yang racist. 

Saya seorang Melayu dan saya menolak agenda perkauman UMNO dan BN selama ini. Tambahan lagi saya dilahirkan, dibesarkan dan mendapat hampir kesemua pendidikan saya di Kelantan dan hampir semua ahli keluarga saya didiskriminasi oleh BN Kelantan yang juga sama bangsa dan agama dengan saya. Jangan ingat hanya orang Cina dan India saja didiskriminasi. Kami orang-orang Melayu yang tidak menyokong BN juga menjadi mangsa diskriminasi. 

Kami diajar oleh Tuan Guru Nik Aziz bahawa dalam Islam semua kaum itu sama disisi Tuhan tak kira warna kulit, bahasa dan agama. So kita kena buat baik pada semua orang dan kena berbuat adil pada semua kaum. Masih teringat lagi kata-kata Tuan Guru bahawa doa seorang bukan Islam yang dizalimi pasti akan didengari oleh Tuhan. Oleh itu jauhkan daripada menzalimi sesiapa pun walaupun bukan Islam. Dan juga kami bersabar dizalimi oleh kerajaan BN di Kelantan selama ini.

Juga untuk membetulkan kefahaman saudara, Islam tidak pernah mengajar bahawa orang yang makan babi adalah bodoh. Setahu saya ajaran tu dibawa oleh UMNO bukannya Islam yang sebenar. Oleh sebab tu anda boleh buat perbandingan antara Melayu UMNO dan Melayu PAS. Orang-orang Melayu UMNO diajar untuk membenci bangsa lain melalui BTN dan sebagainya. 

Perintah larangan memakan babi di dalam al-Quran hanya untuk menguji orang-orang Islam tentang keimanan mereka tidak pernah disebut oleh Tuhan bahawa orang yang makan babi akan jadi bodoh. Saya sarankan anda merujuk sumber yang asal siapkan dengan penjelasan dan figure yang sepatutnya dan bukan hanya komen apa yang anda dengar atau baca tanpa rujukan. Sekarang kita berada di kurun ke-21,  so bila anda tuduh bahawa statement bahawa makan babi jadi bodoh adalah daripada sumber Islam, maka anda perlu buktikan daripada mana anda buat rujukan. Jika hanya dengar cakap orang, kalau masuk mahkamah, anda confirm kalah perbicaraan. Jangan katakan pada saya anda dengar daripada rakan Melayu anda yang mana confirm rakan Melayu anda tu Melayu UMNO.

Akhirnya kepada plsbefair, ubahlah mentaliti anda jika anda masih mahu bersama Pakatan Rakyat. 

Tiada lagi diskriminasi dan ucapan-ucapan perkauman. Malaysia adalah untuk orang-orang Malaysia seluruhnya.

Wassalam</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Salam Sejahtera plsbefair,</p>
<p>Komen anda menunjukkan anda seolah-olah bermentaliti pengikut setia BN dan kuncu-kuncunya (UMNO, MCA, MIC) yang racist. </p>
<p>Saya seorang Melayu dan saya menolak agenda perkauman UMNO dan BN selama ini. Tambahan lagi saya dilahirkan, dibesarkan dan mendapat hampir kesemua pendidikan saya di Kelantan dan hampir semua ahli keluarga saya didiskriminasi oleh BN Kelantan yang juga sama bangsa dan agama dengan saya. Jangan ingat hanya orang Cina dan India saja didiskriminasi. Kami orang-orang Melayu yang tidak menyokong BN juga menjadi mangsa diskriminasi. </p>
<p>Kami diajar oleh Tuan Guru Nik Aziz bahawa dalam Islam semua kaum itu sama disisi Tuhan tak kira warna kulit, bahasa dan agama. So kita kena buat baik pada semua orang dan kena berbuat adil pada semua kaum. Masih teringat lagi kata-kata Tuan Guru bahawa doa seorang bukan Islam yang dizalimi pasti akan didengari oleh Tuhan. Oleh itu jauhkan daripada menzalimi sesiapa pun walaupun bukan Islam. Dan juga kami bersabar dizalimi oleh kerajaan BN di Kelantan selama ini.</p>
<p>Juga untuk membetulkan kefahaman saudara, Islam tidak pernah mengajar bahawa orang yang makan babi adalah bodoh. Setahu saya ajaran tu dibawa oleh UMNO bukannya Islam yang sebenar. Oleh sebab tu anda boleh buat perbandingan antara Melayu UMNO dan Melayu PAS. Orang-orang Melayu UMNO diajar untuk membenci bangsa lain melalui BTN dan sebagainya. </p>
<p>Perintah larangan memakan babi di dalam al-Quran hanya untuk menguji orang-orang Islam tentang keimanan mereka tidak pernah disebut oleh Tuhan bahawa orang yang makan babi akan jadi bodoh. Saya sarankan anda merujuk sumber yang asal siapkan dengan penjelasan dan figure yang sepatutnya dan bukan hanya komen apa yang anda dengar atau baca tanpa rujukan. Sekarang kita berada di kurun ke-21,  so bila anda tuduh bahawa statement bahawa makan babi jadi bodoh adalah daripada sumber Islam, maka anda perlu buktikan daripada mana anda buat rujukan. Jika hanya dengar cakap orang, kalau masuk mahkamah, anda confirm kalah perbicaraan. Jangan katakan pada saya anda dengar daripada rakan Melayu anda yang mana confirm rakan Melayu anda tu Melayu UMNO.</p>
<p>Akhirnya kepada plsbefair, ubahlah mentaliti anda jika anda masih mahu bersama Pakatan Rakyat. </p>
<p>Tiada lagi diskriminasi dan ucapan-ucapan perkauman. Malaysia adalah untuk orang-orang Malaysia seluruhnya.</p>
<p>Wassalam</p>
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		<title>By: ah long</title>
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		<dc:creator>ah long</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 07:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>plsbefair,

I am a chinese. Contrary to your nick, I think you have not been fair with your racist comparisons. 

The real concern of Muslims is the pollution caused by conventional pig farms and it is not only a Muslims problem, it is a problem to all Malaysians. Others are  just seizing the opportunity of politicizing it.

Many muslims welcome the move by Selangor gov to centralized pig farming. This is because the environment issue on pig farming will be well managed. 

I would advise you to research and read more before posting any stupid comparisons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>plsbefair,</p>
<p>I am a chinese. Contrary to your nick, I think you have not been fair with your racist comparisons. </p>
<p>The real concern of Muslims is the pollution caused by conventional pig farms and it is not only a Muslims problem, it is a problem to all Malaysians. Others are  just seizing the opportunity of politicizing it.</p>
<p>Many muslims welcome the move by Selangor gov to centralized pig farming. This is because the environment issue on pig farming will be well managed. </p>
<p>I would advise you to research and read more before posting any stupid comparisons.</p>
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		<title>By: plsbefair</title>
		<link>http://teresakok.com/2008/04/09/residents-protest-against-pig-farm-project/#comment-1959</link>
		<dc:creator>plsbefair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 11:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Livestock's Long Shadow is a United Nations report from the Food and Agriculture Organization. Cattle are "responsible for 18% of greenhouse gases, more than cars, planes and all other forms of transport put together. Cattle are blamed for a host of other environmental crimes, from acid rain to the introduction of alien species, from producing deserts to creating dead zones in the oceans, from poisoning rivers and drinking water to destroying coral reefs. This is called environmental impact.

White meat is healthier than read meat (beef). That’s the health impact.

As for religious issue, how about voicing your concern on Afghanistan, supplying 93 percent of the world's opium? 

Pork eaters are stupid? Check this out!

2007 Ranking THES - QS World University Rankings

18 University of HONG KONG
33 National University of SINGAPORE
38 The CHINESE University of Hong Kong
40 TSINGHUA University

246 University MALAYA (UM)

Go figure!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Livestock&#8217;s Long Shadow is a United Nations report from the Food and Agriculture Organization. Cattle are &#8220;responsible for 18% of greenhouse gases, more than cars, planes and all other forms of transport put together. Cattle are blamed for a host of other environmental crimes, from acid rain to the introduction of alien species, from producing deserts to creating dead zones in the oceans, from poisoning rivers and drinking water to destroying coral reefs. This is called environmental impact.</p>
<p>White meat is healthier than read meat (beef). That’s the health impact.</p>
<p>As for religious issue, how about voicing your concern on Afghanistan, supplying 93 percent of the world&#8217;s opium? </p>
<p>Pork eaters are stupid? Check this out!</p>
<p>2007 Ranking THES - QS World University Rankings</p>
<p>18 University of HONG KONG<br />
33 National University of SINGAPORE<br />
38 The CHINESE University of Hong Kong<br />
40 TSINGHUA University</p>
<p>246 University MALAYA (UM)</p>
<p>Go figure!</p>
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		<title>By: Putera Fulus</title>
		<link>http://teresakok.com/2008/04/09/residents-protest-against-pig-farm-project/#comment-1957</link>
		<dc:creator>Putera Fulus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 05:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Salam sejahtera kepada YB dan semua,
 Saya harap dengan isu babi yang timbul ini YB  dapat melihat bezanya islam yang dibawa oleh PAS dan Islam Hadhari yang dijaja UMNO yang mana lebih Universal dan boleh diterima pelbagai kaum. Saya sebagai orang islam cukup terasa dan kesal dengan kenyataan Lim Kit Siang dan Karpal Singh serta YB sendiri mengenai islam.Akibat terpengaruh dengan Islam Hadhri UMNO, DAP memperleceh PAS, tetapi tengok apa yang berlaku pad hari ini, hampir kesemua laman blog ahli PAS membela Kerajaan Selangor dalam kes BABI ni, itupun gara-gara tindakan YB sendiri yang macam terdesak untuk membuktikan sesuatu kepada kaum CINA. percayalah ISLAM itu adil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Salam sejahtera kepada YB dan semua,<br />
 Saya harap dengan isu babi yang timbul ini YB  dapat melihat bezanya islam yang dibawa oleh PAS dan Islam Hadhari yang dijaja UMNO yang mana lebih Universal dan boleh diterima pelbagai kaum. Saya sebagai orang islam cukup terasa dan kesal dengan kenyataan Lim Kit Siang dan Karpal Singh serta YB sendiri mengenai islam.Akibat terpengaruh dengan Islam Hadhri UMNO, DAP memperleceh PAS, tetapi tengok apa yang berlaku pad hari ini, hampir kesemua laman blog ahli PAS membela Kerajaan Selangor dalam kes BABI ni, itupun gara-gara tindakan YB sendiri yang macam terdesak untuk membuktikan sesuatu kepada kaum CINA. percayalah ISLAM itu adil.</p>
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		<title>By: haveaview</title>
		<link>http://teresakok.com/2008/04/09/residents-protest-against-pig-farm-project/#comment-1946</link>
		<dc:creator>haveaview</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 13:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The proposal to relocate scattered pig farms in Selangor and confine all pig-farming activity to a centralised area (PFA) with centralised waste-treatment facility in Sepang (an existing pig farming area) will help solve environmental pollution. -- Am sure NGo understands.

Scattered pig farms with poor waste-treatment facilities can cause problems as this will be Bad for the rakyat and muslims community.-- AM sure umno and pas people understand.

Confining pig farming to a single pollution-controlled area will make it easier for enforcement agencies to monitor and enforce strict compliance with pollution-control standards. 

It will also facilitate improvement to disease control, animal husbandry and breeding. Am sure fed govt m dept and Ministry of health understands..

The abattoir can also be located within the PFA so that no live pigs (only pig carcasses) leave the area. There should be a buffer zone with a garden surrounding the PFA to reduce odour pollution.Am sure Ministry of Agricultural and ministray for Domestic Trade understand..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The proposal to relocate scattered pig farms in Selangor and confine all pig-farming activity to a centralised area (PFA) with centralised waste-treatment facility in Sepang (an existing pig farming area) will help solve environmental pollution. &#8212; Am sure NGo understands.</p>
<p>Scattered pig farms with poor waste-treatment facilities can cause problems as this will be Bad for the rakyat and muslims community.&#8211; AM sure umno and pas people understand.</p>
<p>Confining pig farming to a single pollution-controlled area will make it easier for enforcement agencies to monitor and enforce strict compliance with pollution-control standards. </p>
<p>It will also facilitate improvement to disease control, animal husbandry and breeding. Am sure fed govt m dept and Ministry of health understands..</p>
<p>The abattoir can also be located within the PFA so that no live pigs (only pig carcasses) leave the area. There should be a buffer zone with a garden surrounding the PFA to reduce odour pollution.Am sure Ministry of Agricultural and ministray for Domestic Trade understand..</p>
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		<title>By: riduan</title>
		<link>http://teresakok.com/2008/04/09/residents-protest-against-pig-farm-project/#comment-1940</link>
		<dc:creator>riduan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 10:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Salam Sejahtera chteng,

Minta maaf kerana respon yang agak lambat kerana kesibukan kerja.... :)

A. Untuk menjawab pertanyaan you:

Regarding his statements on

1. “projek ternakan babi berkelompok bernilai RM100 juta di Sepang, adalah tidak wajar kerana ia boleh menyumbang kepada kemajuan industri haiwan berkenaan.” and

2. “tindakan berkenaan adalah salah kerana ia secara tidak langsung boleh menyumbang kepada kepesatan industri ternakan haiwan berkenaan yang jelas salah di sisi agama.”

I am confused?? I have few questions in my head that LOGICALLY I am not able to come out with any answer.

Jawapan saya: Satu perkara yang kita perlu jelas adalah perkara utama yang ditekankan oleh Mufti adalah berkenaan industri ternakan babi dikembangkan dengan pesatnya (kerana pada pendapat saya, mufti melihat kepada angka 100 juta) dan bukan berkenaan samada membina ladang babi boleh atau tidak. Di sini sangat jelas bahawa membina ladang babi untuk memenuhi keperluan orang bukan Islam tidak menjadi masalah di dalam Islam. 

B. Soalan you: Pig farming is just a business, will definetely contribute to the Malaysia economy. As long as it will not contribute to pollution, it should be fine. Pig is not drug, is not any mass descrutive weapon, not agaisnt any federal law. So what’s wrong? dan The entire process from farming till the selling of pork to consumers DO NOT involve any muslim. So why “salah di sisi agama”?

Jawapan saya: Di sini saya rasa you kena faham beberapa perkara prinsip asas di dalam Islam. Di dalam Islam, tidak dibenarkan untuk menjalankan urusan jual beli dan mengambil hasil daripada perkara yang diharamkan oleh agama. Contoh paling mudah adalah arak. Walaupun di dalam al-Quran, hanya terdapat arahan mengharamkan meminum arak, tetapi didetailkan oleh Nabi Muhammad melalui hadis2 baginda bahawa tidak boleh diadakan urusan jual beli arak, tidak boleh dihidangkan, tidak boleh diminum, tidak boleh orang Islam terlibat dalam proses penghantaran dan penerimaan dan tidak boleh menghasilkan arak dan juga tidak boleh bekerja di tempat2 penghasilan arak dan tidak boleh bersama2 di dalam majlis yang arak diminum. Maka berkenaan ternakan babi pun disamakan dengan hukum yang sama iaitu dengan bahasa yang senangnya, Muslim tidak boleh terlibat langsung dengan penternakan babi ini. Walaupun begitu, tidak menjadi masalah untuk bukan Islam menternak dan memenuhi keperluan mereka.

Tujuan larangan sedemikian dan melibatkan urusan perniagaan adalah untuk mensucikan harta Muslim daripada perkara2 yang haram.

Perkara yang menjadi persoalan sekarang adalah berkenaan hasil daripada industri babi ini. Sudah tentu tauke2 industri babi perlu membayar cukai dan  duit cukai ini akan bercampur dengan duit2 lainnya di dalam perbendaharaan negara. Jadi di peringkat pusat, bercampurnya hasil negara yang halal dan haram. Walaubagaimanapun terdapat penyelesaian untuk kes ini sebenarnya di dalam Islam. Penyelesaian ini saya tidak study secara detail lagi tetapi saya akan terangkan secara brief sahaja di sini:

Penyelesaian: Kerajaan menggunakan hasil daripada industri babi dan seumpama dengannya (arak, judi dsbg.) untuk pembangunan orang-orang bukan Islam. Contohnya untuk pembangunan rumah2 ibadat, untuk orang-orang bukan Islam yang miskin, untuk tujuan pendidikan, dsbg.

C. Soalan you: Malaysia is a secular state and not islamic state, everyone in this country should have their basic human right to live, doing business and if possible grow their business to as big as possible. So again what’s wrong if “menyumbang kepada kepesatan industri berkenaan” and why “salah di sisi agama”? (Take note, no muslim is involved.)

Jawapan saya: Saya tidak bersetuju jika dikatakan Malaysia sebuah negara secular dan tidak setuju juga untuk katakan Malaysia sebuah negara Islam. Malaysia mempunyai kedua2 ciri2 tersebut. Walaubagaimanapun saya bersetuju bahawa prinsip hak asasi mesti diutamakan samada bagi sebuah negara sekular atau Islam. Merujuk kepada salah di sisi agama adalah kerana masalah hasil negara yang bercampur antara halal dan haram seperti yang saya terangkan sebelum ini. Mungkin mufti melihat bahawa kerajaan BN tiada kesungguhan untuk menyelesaikan masalah hasil ini dan oleh kerana itu beliau mencadangkan bahawa perkara ini salah disisi agama kerana beliau melihat lebih jauh masalah yang akan timbul kepada orang-orang Islam jika ternakan babi ini dikomersialkan secara besar-besaran. Actually perkara ini pernah diutarakan oleh ahli2 parlimen PAS sebelum ini berkenaan bercampurnya hasil halal negara dengan hasil haram daripada arak dan judi. PAS telah mencadangkan supaya dijalankan penyelesaian seperti yang saya sebutkan tetapi kerajaan pusat BN tidak mahu melaksanakannya. 

D. Based on our basic human right, no one should force other to believe in what he/she believe in. Am I right??

Jawapan saya: Saya bersetuju tiada sesiapa pun dipaksa untuk percaya kepada kepercayaan orang lain dan ini bertepatan dengan arahan al-Quran, "Tiada paksaan di dalam beragama". Walaubagaimanapun kita kena hormat menghormati dan cuba sedaya mungkin untuk menjaga sensitiviti masyarakat berbilang kaum dan agama di dalam negara ini. Komen Mufti Perlis menjurus kepada implikasi industri ini kepada orang-orang Islam kerana saya rasa Mufti melihat tiada penyelesaian di peringkat pusat. 

E. Sorry I believe in science, based on the factors I mentioned above I just couldn’t equate the formula based on the additional factors that Profesor Madya Dr Mohd Asri Zainul Abidin mentioned.

Non-muslims consumers + Integrated modern pig farm + big business + secular state + human right ≠ environmental friendly + “Salah di sisi agama”
+ “tidak wajar kerana ia boleh menyumbang kepada kemajuan industri haiwan berkenaan”

Jawapan: Maybe equationnya sepatutnya begini mengikut perspective Muslim, 

Non-muslims consumers + Integrated modern pig farm + big business + human right + environmental friendly = tiada masalah kepada Muslim jika hasil ini digunakan untuk pembangunan orang-orang bukan Islam sahaja = tidak salah disisi agama = orang Islam dapat menikmati hak memastikan harta mereka suci (hak asasi seorang Islam) = orang bukan Islam dapat menikmati hak menternak babi dan membangunkan industri ini (hak asasi seorang bukan Islam).

Semoga jawapan saya ini menjelaskan kecelaruan saudara.

Wassalam</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Salam Sejahtera chteng,</p>
<p>Minta maaf kerana respon yang agak lambat kerana kesibukan kerja&#8230;. <img src='http://teresakok.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>A. Untuk menjawab pertanyaan you:</p>
<p>Regarding his statements on</p>
<p>1. “projek ternakan babi berkelompok bernilai RM100 juta di Sepang, adalah tidak wajar kerana ia boleh menyumbang kepada kemajuan industri haiwan berkenaan.” and</p>
<p>2. “tindakan berkenaan adalah salah kerana ia secara tidak langsung boleh menyumbang kepada kepesatan industri ternakan haiwan berkenaan yang jelas salah di sisi agama.”</p>
<p>I am confused?? I have few questions in my head that LOGICALLY I am not able to come out with any answer.</p>
<p>Jawapan saya: Satu perkara yang kita perlu jelas adalah perkara utama yang ditekankan oleh Mufti adalah berkenaan industri ternakan babi dikembangkan dengan pesatnya (kerana pada pendapat saya, mufti melihat kepada angka 100 juta) dan bukan berkenaan samada membina ladang babi boleh atau tidak. Di sini sangat jelas bahawa membina ladang babi untuk memenuhi keperluan orang bukan Islam tidak menjadi masalah di dalam Islam. </p>
<p>B. Soalan you: Pig farming is just a business, will definetely contribute to the Malaysia economy. As long as it will not contribute to pollution, it should be fine. Pig is not drug, is not any mass descrutive weapon, not agaisnt any federal law. So what’s wrong? dan The entire process from farming till the selling of pork to consumers DO NOT involve any muslim. So why “salah di sisi agama”?</p>
<p>Jawapan saya: Di sini saya rasa you kena faham beberapa perkara prinsip asas di dalam Islam. Di dalam Islam, tidak dibenarkan untuk menjalankan urusan jual beli dan mengambil hasil daripada perkara yang diharamkan oleh agama. Contoh paling mudah adalah arak. Walaupun di dalam al-Quran, hanya terdapat arahan mengharamkan meminum arak, tetapi didetailkan oleh Nabi Muhammad melalui hadis2 baginda bahawa tidak boleh diadakan urusan jual beli arak, tidak boleh dihidangkan, tidak boleh diminum, tidak boleh orang Islam terlibat dalam proses penghantaran dan penerimaan dan tidak boleh menghasilkan arak dan juga tidak boleh bekerja di tempat2 penghasilan arak dan tidak boleh bersama2 di dalam majlis yang arak diminum. Maka berkenaan ternakan babi pun disamakan dengan hukum yang sama iaitu dengan bahasa yang senangnya, Muslim tidak boleh terlibat langsung dengan penternakan babi ini. Walaupun begitu, tidak menjadi masalah untuk bukan Islam menternak dan memenuhi keperluan mereka.</p>
<p>Tujuan larangan sedemikian dan melibatkan urusan perniagaan adalah untuk mensucikan harta Muslim daripada perkara2 yang haram.</p>
<p>Perkara yang menjadi persoalan sekarang adalah berkenaan hasil daripada industri babi ini. Sudah tentu tauke2 industri babi perlu membayar cukai dan  duit cukai ini akan bercampur dengan duit2 lainnya di dalam perbendaharaan negara. Jadi di peringkat pusat, bercampurnya hasil negara yang halal dan haram. Walaubagaimanapun terdapat penyelesaian untuk kes ini sebenarnya di dalam Islam. Penyelesaian ini saya tidak study secara detail lagi tetapi saya akan terangkan secara brief sahaja di sini:</p>
<p>Penyelesaian: Kerajaan menggunakan hasil daripada industri babi dan seumpama dengannya (arak, judi dsbg.) untuk pembangunan orang-orang bukan Islam. Contohnya untuk pembangunan rumah2 ibadat, untuk orang-orang bukan Islam yang miskin, untuk tujuan pendidikan, dsbg.</p>
<p>C. Soalan you: Malaysia is a secular state and not islamic state, everyone in this country should have their basic human right to live, doing business and if possible grow their business to as big as possible. So again what’s wrong if “menyumbang kepada kepesatan industri berkenaan” and why “salah di sisi agama”? (Take note, no muslim is involved.)</p>
<p>Jawapan saya: Saya tidak bersetuju jika dikatakan Malaysia sebuah negara secular dan tidak setuju juga untuk katakan Malaysia sebuah negara Islam. Malaysia mempunyai kedua2 ciri2 tersebut. Walaubagaimanapun saya bersetuju bahawa prinsip hak asasi mesti diutamakan samada bagi sebuah negara sekular atau Islam. Merujuk kepada salah di sisi agama adalah kerana masalah hasil negara yang bercampur antara halal dan haram seperti yang saya terangkan sebelum ini. Mungkin mufti melihat bahawa kerajaan BN tiada kesungguhan untuk menyelesaikan masalah hasil ini dan oleh kerana itu beliau mencadangkan bahawa perkara ini salah disisi agama kerana beliau melihat lebih jauh masalah yang akan timbul kepada orang-orang Islam jika ternakan babi ini dikomersialkan secara besar-besaran. Actually perkara ini pernah diutarakan oleh ahli2 parlimen PAS sebelum ini berkenaan bercampurnya hasil halal negara dengan hasil haram daripada arak dan judi. PAS telah mencadangkan supaya dijalankan penyelesaian seperti yang saya sebutkan tetapi kerajaan pusat BN tidak mahu melaksanakannya. </p>
<p>D. Based on our basic human right, no one should force other to believe in what he/she believe in. Am I right??</p>
<p>Jawapan saya: Saya bersetuju tiada sesiapa pun dipaksa untuk percaya kepada kepercayaan orang lain dan ini bertepatan dengan arahan al-Quran, &#8220;Tiada paksaan di dalam beragama&#8221;. Walaubagaimanapun kita kena hormat menghormati dan cuba sedaya mungkin untuk menjaga sensitiviti masyarakat berbilang kaum dan agama di dalam negara ini. Komen Mufti Perlis menjurus kepada implikasi industri ini kepada orang-orang Islam kerana saya rasa Mufti melihat tiada penyelesaian di peringkat pusat. </p>
<p>E. Sorry I believe in science, based on the factors I mentioned above I just couldn’t equate the formula based on the additional factors that Profesor Madya Dr Mohd Asri Zainul Abidin mentioned.</p>
<p>Non-muslims consumers + Integrated modern pig farm + big business + secular state + human right ≠ environmental friendly + “Salah di sisi agama”<br />
+ “tidak wajar kerana ia boleh menyumbang kepada kemajuan industri haiwan berkenaan”</p>
<p>Jawapan: Maybe equationnya sepatutnya begini mengikut perspective Muslim, </p>
<p>Non-muslims consumers + Integrated modern pig farm + big business + human right + environmental friendly = tiada masalah kepada Muslim jika hasil ini digunakan untuk pembangunan orang-orang bukan Islam sahaja = tidak salah disisi agama = orang Islam dapat menikmati hak memastikan harta mereka suci (hak asasi seorang Islam) = orang bukan Islam dapat menikmati hak menternak babi dan membangunkan industri ini (hak asasi seorang bukan Islam).</p>
<p>Semoga jawapan saya ini menjelaskan kecelaruan saudara.</p>
<p>Wassalam</p>
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